The Near Death Out of Body Experience

In a debate with an atheist on usenet:

Me:
>>The law of gravity is provable. Darwinism is not.Darwinism is not a science but atheist propaganda.

Him:

>Now he's Mister Science all of a sudden and scientific proof is so important to him. >Wheres your scientific proof for teaching this?: "there is a spirit in plants, >animals, and man, which separates from the corporeal bodies thereof at death, and >this spirit is the spark, or catalyzing energy which effects this organization to >begin with,an d keeps this organism intact while still alive, saith the Lord, and >without the spirit, the elements of the bodies of these "creations" lose their >organization, and hence decay back to their "native element", because the spirit, >saith the Lord, is the energy of activation keeping this high degree of organization >supplied with the energy needed to maintain its organization to begin with and to >remain, intact."

114 And now, thus saith the Lord, all things were created spiritually before they were temporally.
115 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew was created in the spirit, yea even the earth upon which thou standest had its creation before element combined with matter, saith the Lord God, for the foundation of all matter is spiritual, saith the Lord God.
116 And that spirit which is in man which was with me from the beginning which separateth from the temporal body upon the death thereof, goeth to dwell with other spirits who also move and have their beings, and do not die but go to the spirit of the earth upon which thou standest to await the resurrection, for the resurrection cometh to all men and women except them who cannot repent, even sons of perdition.
117 And they await the resurrection of the just or the unjust, according to the deeds done in the body, saith the Lord God of Israel, my chosen.
118 And the spirits of all men and women were arranged in races and grades according to intelligence from before the foundation of the world and according to their performance in that war fought in heaven.

Revelations of Jesus Christ sec. 3

5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew. For I, the Lord God, created all things, of which I have spoken, spiritually, before they were naturally upon the face of the earth. For I, the Lord God, had not caused it to rain upon the face of the earth. And I, the Lord God, had created all the children of men; and not yet a man to till the ground; for in heaven created I them; and there was not yet flesh upon the earth, neither in the water, neither in the air;

(Moses 3:5)


Haven't you ever heard of the near death out of body experience ?

A Scientist who had a near death experience:

Joyce Hawkes, a cell biologist with a PhD, had an accident that forever changed her life — and her view of science. She suffered a concussion from a falling window. "I think that part of me — that my spirit, my soul — left my body and went to another reality," she said. She was surprised at the experience.

"It just was not part of the paradigm in which I lived as a scientist," Hawkes recalled. "it was a big surprise to me to have this sense of something different than the body — a consciousness different than the body — and to be in this wonderfully healing, peaceful, nurturing place."

"I think what I learned was that there truly is no death, that there is a change in state from a physical form to a spirit form, and that there's nothing to fear about that passage," she said.

Some Near Death Questions that scientists need to grapple with:
Numerous people have had Near Death Experiences after their hearts stopped, or they have stopped breathing; and 10 seconds later the EEG (measure of brain electrical activity) - goes absolutely "flat". If so, how can any scientist say that this NDE is a conscious experience? Also, there have been numerous blind people (blind from birth) who reported Near Death Experiences. And for most of these their NDE's are "visual" experiences. How can these be? It is thought that over 10 million Americans have had Near Death Experiences. Why do "scientists" not study these more? These are not drug induced hallucinations. How can so many people report nearly the same details in their experience if they were due to drugs chemically acting on brain cells? Most people who undergo NDE's say that they are not "dream-like" events, but instead, very real and structured "visits". Also, for most people, an NDE is a "life changing" experience.

http://bibleprobe.com/nde.htm

The Big Bang a Big Bust ?

Here is the definition of the Big Bang theory:

"The Big Bang Theory is the dominant scientific theory about the origin of the universe. According to the big bang, the universe was created sometime between 10 billion and 20 billion years ago from a cosmic explosion that hurled matter and in all directions."

It says the "universe was created sometime between 10 billion and 20 billion years ago from a cosmic explosion". So that means there was no universe, no life, just absolutely nothing at least as far back as 20 billion years ago prior to some sort of explosion. The 2nd law of thermodynamics states that matter has always been in existence and more cannot be created. So it is the Big Bangists who contradict science by saying THERE WAS NOTHING and suddenly a cosmic explosion happened that sent matter flying everywhere. Plus, as I have pointed out before recently which not surprisingly no one replied to, there is another huge hole in this theory big enough to push Jupiter through. Big Bangists believe that the universe happened around 13.7 billions years ago. But it's been observed by the Hubble Space Telescope that the universe has an observable radius distance of 46.5 billion light years. But since the universe is 13.7 billions years old, shouldn't the distance be no more than 13.7 billion light years ? No the universe has been measured or to the extent the Hubble Space Telescope allow us to see to be 46.5 billion light years meaning matter must have traveled faster than light which is impossible!

Did the Founding Fathers Oppose Christianity ?

In a debate on a usenet group with an atheist, he said the following:

>The Christian god can easily be pictured as virtually the same god as the many ancient gods of past civilizations. >The Christian god is a three headed monster; cruel, vengeful and capricious. If one wishes to know more of this >raging, three headed beast-like god, one only needs to look at the caliber of people who say they serve him. They >are always of two classes: fools and hypocrites." - Thomas Jefferson

>Which are you?

My response:

You take that comment out of context. Thomas Jefferson was a very perspicacious person. He believed in Christ but was against these Christian sects who supposedly spoke for God (priestcraft). He saw through their hypocrisy and inability to answer questions about God such as who He is, why God has ceased to speak, what happens after death, etc. Questions that can only be answered by revelation through the Priesthood.

29 He commandeth that there shall be no priestcrafts; for, behold, priestcrafts are that men preach and set themselves up for a light unto the world, that they may get gain and praise of the world; but they seek not the welfare of Zion.

(2 Nephi 26:29)

16 Nevertheless, this did not put an end to the spreading of priestcraft through the land; for there were many who loved the vain things of the world, and they went forth preaching false doctrines; and this they did for the sake of riches and honor.

(Alma 1:16)

Because the Priesthood had not been restored yet, many of the questions about God and life had not been answered that the Prophet Joseph Smith brought to light like the true identity of God, the fact that we also have a spirit body existing within out physical bodies, what heaven is like, etc.

"I am like a huge rough stone rolling down from a high mountain; and the only polishing I get is when some corner gets rubbed off by coming in contact with something else, striking with accelerated force against religious bigotry, priestcraft, lawyer-craft, doctor-craft, lying editors, suborned judges and jurors, and the authority of perjured executives, backed by mobs, blasphemers, licentious and corrupt men and womenall hell knocking off a corner here and a corner there. Thus will I become a smooth and polished shaft in the quiver of the Almighty." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 304.)

80 And for this purpose have I established the Constitution of this land, by the hands of wise men whom I raised up unto this very purpose, and redeemed the land by the shedding of blood.

(Doctrine & Covenants 101:80)

VISION OF THE SIGNERS OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE AND U.S. PRESIDENTS by the third President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Sainsts Wilford Woodruff in the St. George Temple:

I will say here, before closing, that two weeks before I left St. George, the spirits of the dead, gathered around me, wanting to know why we did not redeem them. Said they: "You have had the use of the Endowment House for a number of years and yet nothing has ever been done for us. We laid the foundation of the government you now enjoy, and we never apostatized from it, but we remained true to it and were faithful to God." These were the signers of the Declaration of Independence, and they waited on me for two days and two nights. I thought it very singular that notwithstanding so much work had been done, and yet nothing had been done for them. The thought never entered my heart from the fact, I suppose, that heretofore our minds were reaching after our more immediate friends and relatives. I straightway went into the baptismal font and called upon Brother McAllister to baptize me for the signers of the Declaration of Independence, and fifty other eminent men, making one hundred in all, including John Wesley, Columbus, and others; I then baptized him for every President of the United States except three; and when their cause is just, somebody will do the work for them. (1877, J.D. 19:229)
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[138] I am going to bear my testimony to this assembly, if I never do it again in my life, that those men who laid the foundation of this American Government and signed the Declaration of Independence were the best spirits the God of heaven could find on the face of the earth. They were choice spirits, not wicked men. General Washington and all the men that labored for the purpose were inspired of the Lord. Another thing I am going to say here, because I have a right to say it. Every one of those men that signed the Declaration of Independence with General Washington called upon me, as an Apostle of the Lord Jesus Christ, in the Temple at St. George two consecutive nights, and demanded at my hands that l should go forth and attend to the ordinances of the house of God for them. Men are here, I believe, that know of this--Brothers J.D.T. McAllister, David H. Cannon and James C. Bleak. Brother McAllister baptized me for all these men, and I then told these brethren that it was their duty to go into the Temple and labor until they got endowments for all of them. They did it. Would those spirits have called upon me, as an Elder in Israel, to perform that work if they had not been noble spirits before God? They would not. I bear this testimony because it is true. The spirit of God bore record to myself and the brethren while we were laboring in that way. * * * (Rept. of Pres. Wilford Woodruff, Gen. Conf., April 10, 1898, pp. 89-90)

You are a fool and hypocrite.

Did Jesus Exist ?

Many people question whether Jesus Christ really existed or not. I know He did having received a strong testimony by the Holy Spirit.

16 But if he will not hear [thee, then] take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

(Matthew 18:16)

In a court of law, it takes two or three witnesses to establish a testimony. The four Gospels Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John in a court of law would testify of the existence of Jesus.

The following contemporary historical sources shows evidence of His existence:

" What does old Celsus say, who was a physician in the first century, whose medical works are esteemed very highly at the present time. His works on theology were burned with fire by the Catholics, they were so shocked at what they called their impiety. Celsus was a heathen philosopher; and what does he say upon the subject of Christ and his Apostles, and their belief? He says, "The grand reason why the Gentiles and philosophers of his school persecuted Jesus Christ, was, because he had so many wives; there were Elizabeth, and Mary, and a host of others that followed him." After Jesus went from the stage of action, the Apostles followed the example of their master. For instance, John the beloved disciple, writes in his second Epistle, "Unto the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth." Again, he says, "Having many thing to write unto you (or communicate), I would not write with paper and ink: but I trust to come unto you, and speak face to face, that our joy may be full." Again--"The children of thy elect sister greet thee." This ancient philosopher says they were both John's wives." Journal of Discourses, Vol.1, Pg.345 - Pg.346, Jedediah M. Grant, August 7,
1853

Celsus From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Celsus (Greek: ??????) was a 2nd century Greek philosopher and opponent of Christianity. He is known to us mainly through the reputation of his literary work, The True Word (Account, Doctrine or Discourse) (????? 'A?????), almost entirely reproduced in excerpts by Origen in his counter-polemic Contra Celsum of 248, 70 or 80 years after Celsus wrote.

Background

A polemical writer against Christianity whose works often lacked philosophical/logical thought on the topic at hand. Celsus flourished towards the end of the second century. Very little is known about his personal history except that he lived during the reign of Marcus Aurelius, that his literary activity falls between the years 175 and 180, and that he wrote his The True Word against the Christian religion. He is one of several writers named "Celsus" who appeared as opponents of Christianity in the second century; he is probably the Celsus who was known as a friend of Lucian. Some doubt this identification, however, because Origen writes – perhaps blinded by his prejudice against Epicureans – that Lucian's friend was an Epicurean, and the author of The True Word shows himself to follow Plato and perhaps Philo.[1]

It is generally supposed that Celsus was a Greek or Roman. His professed acquaintance, however, with the Jewish religion and his knowledge, such as it was, of Egyptian ideas and customs incline some historians to think he belonged to the Eastern portion of the empire. Those who believe him to have been a Roman explain his knowledge of Jewish and Egyptian matters by assuming that he acquired that knowledge either by travelling, or by mingling with the foreign population of Rome.

Celsus wrote his work The True Word as a polemic against the Christians in approximately 178 CE., or generally between 170 and 180 CE. Celsus divided the work into two sections, the one in which objections are put in the mouth of a Jewish interlocutor and the other in which Celsus speaks as the pagan philosopher that he is. Celsus ridiculed Christians for what he perceived to be an advocacy of blind faith instead of reason. About 60 years after it was first published, the book written by Celsus inspired a massive refutation by Origen in Contra Celsum, which is our source of knowledge for Celsus, who was later condemned along with other critics such as Porphyry.

[edit] Nature of Celsus' attacks

Celsus opens the way for his own attack by restating the arguments leveled at the Christians by the Jews. They are: Jesus was born in adultery and nurtured on the wisdom of Egypt. His assertion of divine dignity is disproved by his poverty and his miserable end. Christians have no standing in the Old Testament prophecies and their talk of a resurrection that was only revealed to some of their own adherents is foolishness. Celsus indeed says that the Jews are almost as ridiculous as the foes they attack; the latter said the savior from Heaven had come, the former still looked for his coming. However, the Jews have the advantage of being an ancient nation with an ancient faith. The idea of an Incarnation of God is absurd; why should the human race think itself so superior to bees, ants and elephants as to be put in this unique relation to its maker? And why should God choose to come to men as a Jew? The Christian idea of a special providence is nonsense, an insult to the deity. Christians are like a council of frogs in a marsh or a synod of worms on a dunghill, croaking and squeaking, "For our sakes was the world created."

Josephus (37 - 100 AD), a Jewish historian wrote in his book "Antiquities of the Jews":

"Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man; for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ. And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day; as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day."

Also in book 20, chapter 9 of Antiquities it said:

"And now Caesar, upon hearing the death of Festus, sent Albinus into Judea, as procurator. But the king deprived Joseph of the high priesthood, and bestowed the succession to that dignity on the son of Ananus, who was also himself called Ananus. Now the report goes that this eldest Ananus proved a most fortunate man; for he had five sons who had all performed the office of a high priest to God, and who had himself enjoyed that dignity a long time formerly, which had never happened to any other of our high priests. But this younger Ananus, who, as we have told you already, took the high priesthood, was a bold man in his temper, and very insolent; he was also of the sect of the Sadducees, who are very rigid in judging offenders, above all the rest of the Jews, as we have already observed; when, therefore, Ananus was of this disposition, he thought he had now a proper opportunity. Festus was now dead, and Albinus was but upon the road; so he assembled the sanhedrin of judges, and brought before them the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James, and some others; and when he had formed an accusation against them as breakers of the law, he delivered them to be stoned: but as for those who seemed the most equitable of the citizens, and such as were the most uneasy at the breach of the laws, they disliked what was done; they also sent to the king, desiring him to send to Ananus that he should act so no more, for that what he had already done was not to be justified; nay, some of them went also to meet Albinus, as he was upon his journey from Alexandria, and informed him that it was not lawful for Ananus to assemble a sanhedrin without his consent. Whereupon Albinus complied with what they said, and wrote in anger to Ananus, and threatened that he would bring him to punishment for what he had done; on which king Agrippa took the high priesthood from him, when he had ruled but three months, and made Jesus, the son of Damneus, high priest."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus

Even Muhammad, the founder of Islam, acknowledged the existence of Jesus:

"ALLAH is HE besides Whom there is none worthy of worship, the Living, the Self-Subsisting and All-Sustaining. HE has sent down to thee the Book containing the truth and fulfilling that which precedes it; and HE has sent down the Torah (Law of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guidance to the people; and HE has sent down the Discrimination (judgement between right and wrong)." -- Qur'an, Surah 3:3-4

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/quran-jesus.html

The Purpose and Meaning of Life

The Revelations of Jesus Christ

SECTION 3.

THE PURPOSE AND MEANING OF LIFE

REVELATION on life after death. Future state and progression of souls of all men and women delineated. Preexistence of spiritual bodies. War fought in this state among spirits. Rebellious spirits cast out. Memory blotted out concerning events before birth. Separation of spiritual and temporal bodies at death. Existence of devils or sons of perdition, or fallen angels detailed. Resurrection and atonement voted upon by spirits before birth. Plan rejected by fallen angels or spirits, thus denied mortal bodies and cast out to earth. Presence unseen by men, but influence felt. Numbers thereof delineated. Authority of Priesthood after the Order of Melchizedec only authority by which devils are cast out of abodes of faithful spirits [bodies]. Authority of Priesthood of Aaron also delineated.

Thus saith the Lord unto my servants that inasmuch as ye have inquired of me to know the source of truth or that which doth testify of me, saith the Lord,
2 Behold, I will give unto you knowledge concerning these things, inasmuch as ye have asked in all diligence and humility before me.
3 Behold thus saith the Lord, all truth cometh from me, whether pertaining to those things which are of a temporal or as is spoken, a scientific nature, as well as that which is spiritual, or that which pertaineth unto the spirit of man.
4 For upon that death spoken of which is a temporal death, which is the death of the body, behold that which is the spirit of man which is in the express image of the body, doth it die also?
5 I say unto you nay, but it doth continue before me, saith the Lord God, that it lives and moves and has a being.
6 And that which is the spirit of man can never die except it be ordained of me, and thus saith the Lord, the spirits of all men and women stood in my presence from before the foundation of the world, for did I not speak unto my servant Job, in the which I inquired of him, And where wast thou when the morning stars sang together and the sons of God shouted for joy?
7 Yea, where wast thou?
8 And did I not speak unto my servant Jeremiah: Before I formed thee in the belly, I knew thee and sanctified thee to be a prophet unto the nations.c
9 And the spirits of all men had their agency which I the Lord their God did given unto them in that day, yea, even from before the foundation of the world upon which thou standest.
10 For I did command, and that matter which was in an unorganized state, became organized that these spirits might have whereupon that they would dwell in mortal tabernacles of flesh and bone and sinew, and prove themselves whether they would be obedient in all things whatsoever I the Lord their God should command them.
11 And I the Lord their God did cause that their memory should become blotted out concerning those things which transpired before that they should become agents unto themselves.
12 But behold as I the Lord liveth a perfect knowledge of these things shall be restored unto them in mine own due time, saith the Lord, that they shall know all things pertaining to the past, present, or the future which are true.
13 Then cometh that judgment spoken of and the resurrection of the dead, in the which the small and the great shall be brought to stand at that daya, and if they have worked righteousness, righteousness shall be restored unto them, but if they have done evil in all the days of their probation, evil shall be restored unto them, and this according to that which is just and true, saith the Lord, which is in me.
14 And the resurrection is the reuniting of the spiritual and the temporal bodies, which bringeth a fullness of joy saith the Lord.
15 And for this cause was man created that he might have joy.
16 Therefore he tasteth the bitter that he might prize the sweet.
17 And the resurrection is brought to pass by the atonement which was wrought out in the day that I, the Father, did command that mine Only Begotten who was prepared as a fitting sacrifice from before the foundation of the world, for he also was with me from the beginning, should take upon himself the sins of the world.
18 And a record of these things is had in that scripture known as the Bible, which is had among the Gentiles, even down unto the present time.
19 For I did cause that it should be preserved among them that it should point their minds in the direction of that path which leadeth unto the Eternal Lives spoken of.
20 And other scripture have I caused that it should be written also, for I the Lord God am the same yesterday, today, and forever, and my work, neither my word is yet finished that I should not cause more to be written.
21 For out of the mouths of two or three witnesses shall every word be established, saith the Lord of the whole earth.
22 Wherefore who is it that doth counsel me in their iniquity, saith the Lord, because it is that I the Lord God of Isaiah deign not to speak unto them in my power, they deny that I the Lord God can give utterance as in times of old.
23 For I the Lord God speak and the children of men in their wickedness and depravity deny these things and set up stakes according to their narrow understandings and wrest the scriptures away from their true meanings that they perish, yea even from the earth.
24 For all shall be revelators in the day when I come in clouds of glory to their destruction, for they shall see signs in that day, but not unto their salvation, saith the Lord God of Enoch.
25 For do I not speak face to face with those who be with me in heaven, saith the Lord?
26 Then how is it that I cannot also speak unto them who wander in darkness at noonday, who wander in darkness and despair upon the earth as anciently?
27 For are ye not as precious unto me as they, saith the Lord?
28 Therefore if I the Lord God condescend to send thee an eyewitness as them of old, condemn him not, for if ye receive him whom I send, ye shall receive me also, and this according to mine appointment, which is after the Order of the Ancients, even Melchizedec of old.
29 For I the Lord God am the same, yesterday, today, and forever.
30 And if ye honor him and feed and clothe him, then ye have done it also unto me, saith the Lord.
31 For what king is not insulted if he whom he hath sent with his message is smitten and afflicted and scorned by them unto whom the message was sent?
32 And what king is there doth not send his armies to avenge his honour, saith the Lord?
33 Therefore, O man, in thy ignorance, beware how thou holdest the oracles of God!
34 For thus saith the Lord, many things which were plain and precious unto the understanding of man were removed from that Bible by the hands of wicked men whom I did not move upon in that day which was the foundation of a great and abominable church, which is the whore of all the earth in the which many of the Gentiles, yea, an exceeding great many do stumble and err upon the points of my doctrine which were plain in that day, saith the Lord.
35 For they imagine up unto themselves a God who it is that doth vary from that which I have said.
36 For did I the Lord God not say, one jot or one tittle shall in nowise pass from the law which I the Lord God did command that my servant as he is known among men, Moses, should write for the benefit of the children of men which is known as the Ten Commandments, which has been the foundation of all righteous government from that day unto this?
37 Yea what meanest thou, O man?
38 Can mercy rob justice?
39 I say unto you nay, but mercy claimeth the penitent only yea those only who truly humble themselves that they may receive forgiveness according to my mercy, yea that they, if they endure to the end, may receive more, yea, even all things, and this according to the atonement wrought out in that day by mine Only Begotten, even Jesus named the Christ.
40 And all who are obedient unto me through mine anointed, even my servant, Art Bulla, in whatsoever I the Lord their God should inflict upon them, having proven them, that upon the resurrection they should return once more into my presence, having gained an experience, saith the Lord, that thereby hell is shaken by them forever, they will dwell with me, the Lord their God, and partake with me of eternal life, and shall dwell with me forever, worlds without end.
41 They shall receive of those things which are beyond the mind of man to comprehend in the greatness and might and glory and intelligence and power thereof, for they speak and matter, doth it not shake and tremble and move at their command?
42 And thus may all work out their own salvation, even in these things, saith the Lord.
43 And unto my servant Art, I the Lord have seen of thy sacrifice and thy tears, and thou, even thou, shallt receive, with me, all that my Father hast.
44 And them who harden their hearts against these things shall perish, saith the Lord, for I the Lord thy God who am mightier than they all, shall not be mocked.
45 For the wicked shall be destroyed by me, saith the Lord, and it shall be completed, even the consumption decreed, even in this generation, shall it come, saith the Lord, that there shall not be left one of them to stand against the wall.1
46 Therefore was he formed by my hand that I the Lord your God should give unto you another gift, for having given the children of men one gift, ye need not suppose that I the Lord your God cannot give unto men another, for he also is in the similitude and very likeness of mine Only Begotten, for he also was with me from the beginning and I have given that he should speak words, yea eternal words for the salvation of the children of men, as a second witness of me.
47 For out of the mouths of two or three witnesses shall every word be established, saith the Lord of the whole earth.
48 And thus may all become my sons, yea, even the Sons of God, by being obedient unto the laws and ordinances which were established for the same also from before the foundation of the world.
49 For there was a vote taken according to the agency which I the Lord God did give unto those who were my sons and daughters who were spirits before the world was, which was according to the pattern of that which had been done upon other worlds which I the Lord God have caused that they also should be organized according to the pattern which had gone on before, and which shall be forever.
50 And behold it came to pass that even as it has been on other worlds, there arose a contention among those who were my offspring.
51 For behold my children are they not spirits, saith the Lord God, even as thy children, O man, and O woman, are they not physical, yet my children, except for mine Only Begotten, are spirits, even thy spirit, O man, was it not begotten by me, even the Father thereof?
52 For the veins of my body, are they not filled with light and power greater than all the earth?
53 And thus it is that flesh and bloodd cannot inherit the kingdom of God, but flesh and bones, quickened by the power of the Priesthood, which is glory unspeakable, can, for I the Lord thy God, am I not a resurrected and glorified man, even as thou art able to become if thou art obedient unto that law which place the Gods on high, even Eloheim, saith the Lord?
54 And this is thy destiny and thy purpose, O weak man in the flesh, and I Jesus of Nazareth desired to teach these things among the Jews, my friends, but they killed me before it was that I was able to explain these things unto them 2.
55 And thus, O man, beset by infirmities, thy destiny if thou art able to bear it, is to become one of the Gods on high, that ye may fulfill and obtain, even the crown, yea, for I love thee, my children below in the flesh, saith the Father, and desire that ye partake with me of my life which is unspeakable in the might and power, honor and glory thereof.
56 And it is , that ye might have a witness among you of these things, that he beheld us in that day that we showed ourselves unto him and spake unto him from out of the heavens and said come up hither, that he may bear witness unto thee, according to power from us, that ye, by receiving him shall receive all things, that he beheld in that day that we showed ourselves unto him and spake with him face to face as Moses.
57 And all religions that are not after this order are false, saith the Lord God of might and terrible burnings.
58 And we will destroy thee, O man, if it be that ye do not worship us in spirit and truth, for are we not able, and shall we be mocked by them in the flesh, saith the Lord?
59 And according to his Apostleship that ye by receiving him shall receive all things, might, power, principalities, heights, depths, yea, they, even they all shall be given unto thee, O man, if ye come unto me through him who was mighty and strong before the foundation of the world.
60 And it is the desire of the devil, who is a spirit, even the prince of darkness and despair and death, that ye, O man and O woman, be kept even from these things, that ye partake with him of darkness and death and despair and hell, for he did rebel against us from before the foundation of the world even in these things, by thinking to abrogate the plan which hath placed the Gods on high.
61 And he drew one third of all the spirits with him out upon the earth upon which thou dwellest even at this time, saith the Lord God of Isaiah.
62 And the man is not without the woman in the Lord, even in everlasting burnings, yea the might and power of my glory, shall she be with him forever, and they too shall have children which are spirits upon other earths which shall be formed by the might, even of their power.
63 And thus is my work and my glory continued, that I the greatest of all shall be glorified by my children, that I may deliver up my kingdom unto my Father and his Father who art with me.
64 And are we not one unto thee O man?
65 For thou shallt be one of us if thou art obedient unto us through him whom we have sent and authorized by the power of the Priesthood, yea that power which is unspeakable by which seas have been split and armies put at bay, that he may teach by the revelations of Jesus Christ, of the one true way, even from us.
66 And it is necessary that each man have more than one woman, that they bear the souls of men that the works of my Father be continued.
67 And this is the law which placed even the Gods on high, and is this not a most holy principle, saith the Lord?b
68 For this was the law that Abraham and Sarah obeyed and covenanted with me that the seed should become as numerous as the sands upon the seashore for the numbers thereof or the stars at night.
69 And Abraham, doth he not even now continue these works, for was he not resurrected at the resurrection of mine Only Begotten Son, even Jesus of Nazareth, and is he not a God in the might and glory of my power, saith the Lord?
70 And it is my will that mine anointed receive unto himself them which shall be given unto him that he also partake with us of these things which are beyond the mind of man to comprehend, even forever and ever, worlds without end shall they continue and multiply, even as the stars at night, saith the Lords, and these, are they not the works of Abraham, saith the Lord?
71 And all who receive not these things which are written, saith the Lord, shall be destroyed by us body and soul in hell, for we will preserve our freedom even in these things, by marvelous power to the complete destruction of man upon the earth, who is our enemy, except he should repent and become like unto us, for have we not the power, saith the Lord God?
72 Even so, judge ye and see, saith the Lord, for thy generation is the one that shall be destroyed by us and we rejoice in it, for they that come, shall they not burn thee, O man?
73 And there is nothing that can stop even one of my little ones, who be warriors, full of vengeance and the fury of the Lord of Hosts in that day which shall burn as an oven, and all the wicked, shall they not be destroyed by us, saith the Lord, and this even if all perish, as by fire? 3
74 And as I said, there arose a contention among those who were mine offspring, for I the Lord God am the Father of thy spirit, O man, who dwelleth below in the flesh, for thou hast also been with me, even my children whom I love, saith the Father, from the beginning.
75 And there arose one who was in authority who was my son also, who also was also a son of the morning, in that he was placed in authority, being one of my firstborn, and he aspired for that which was not right, and he would ascend above the throne of my power, and would that he should take upon himself the glory.
76 Therefore it was caused that he and one third of all my sons who were spirits, who were with me from the beginning should be cast out.
77 For they, even they, according to the agency which I the Lord God did give unto them, staged rebellion in their wickedness, and thus they were forbidden that they should come in possession of mortal tabernacles or bodies, upon the earth upon which thou and thy fellows dwell.
78 And thus they make war upon the Saints and encompass them round about and they intend that the plan which was right before me, saith the Father, should be abrogated, yea even that plan which was voted upon by the remaining two thirds who were not cast out.
79 And this is the cause of all thy misery and wo upon the earth, for the war hath it not been transferred to the earth?
80 And all must take sides, for there is no middle ground, saith the Lord, even between good and evil and all, are they not enlisted, either on one side or the other, saith the Lord?
81 And a man's enemies shall be them of his own household because of the word, for I am not come to bring peace, but a sword, and father shall be against son, and mother against daughter, even in these things, saith the Lord.
82 And those who are overcome by the devil and his angels even in the rejection, even of these things, shall they not suffer with him in that lake of fire, for he hath no power, saith the Lord, except to tempt thee that ye may be proven, and this only for a season, saith the Lord?
83 And he knoweth these things, therefore he is angry and desperate, for his time is short upon the earth, and therefore he doubleth his efforts against thee, O man and O woman, and wo unto the disobedient, for they shall not escape!
84 Yea, even those sons of perdition, shall they not suffer the second death with the devil and his angels, saith the Lord?
85 And the height and the depth of their misery no man knoweth, neither is is it revealed except unto them who are made partakers thereof.
86 And this cometh upon all in this generation, saith the Lord, who endure not to the end, and receive my gospel, for have they not denied the Holy Ghost, even in these things, saith the Lord?
87 And thus, for thy sins and thy rebellion against me, O man, ye shall die, even a second time, if ye deny the Holy Ghost, which sin is unpardonable4.
88 And the devil hath form as thee, O man, though ye cannot see him with thy physical senses, yet he interacts with thy physical body to cause pain and death.
89 For power is given him for a space to tempt thee, O man, that ye might be tried, to see if ye are able to discern between that which hath a lasting value, or that which hath no eternal substance, which is transient, being of no worth, saith the Lord God.
90 And I have decreed that all men should be agents unto themselves, therefore it is given unto them that they should know good from evil, that they may choose, whether to be enticed by that evil one, or that they should be enticed by my Spirit, saith the Lord, to do good both unto; themselves by being obedient unto the laws and ordinances of my gospel, and unto others by teaching them of these things.
91 For true science and true religion, are they not the same things, O man?
92 For I the Lord God am the author of all truth, which cometh from me.
93 And there is not one among the children of men, nay, not one, that doeth good at all, save that he shall work according to the gift and power of God for the salvation of the children of men from the grasp of the devil and his angels which exceed in number over twenty-thousand millions.
94 For the warfare which began before the world was, hath it not been even transferred to the earth that ye be deceived if thou art not honest with thyself, O man, and with thy fellow man, and this as to the plan of salvation voted upon by you in that day, before the world was made, saith the Lord?
95 And this, O man, is the cause of thy pain and thy discomfort which doth afflict thee night and day, which pain is small in comparison with that which the who deny my power will suffer in eternity if they will not repent and come unto me, yea, even the Father of heaven and earth, and be obedient unto me through him whom I have appointed, and that true gospel which I have caused that it once more should be preached among you in that simplicity and plainness of God, in which it is impossible to err.
96 And any other which cometh unto you with any other gospel is verily not of me, saith the Father.
97 For the evil one is the father of lies and is angry and desperate, and desireth thy destruction that ye may partake with him of his misery.
98 And by the false doctrines taught in the churches and synagogues by the pious among men, he hath deceived the whole world, for their gospel hath not power as them of old, even Peter, James and John and Art Bulla, for thy salvation O man, and the whole world lieth and groaneth in sin and death and eternal destruction which hangeth over thee, O man.
99 For I will not be mocked, yea, even in these things hath he deceived thee and with false science, even evolution, O man.
100 And these are the first principles and ordinances of my gospel which plan was instituted by them who were spirits in the council of the Gods, which had been done upon other worlds, and voted upon by the majority: faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, and that One Mighty and Strong, also, for he also is my witness, saith the Father.
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101 Repentance, which is forsaking thy false teachers, baptism for a remission of sins by immersion by mine authority which is after the Order of Aaron, which authority my son John, otherwise known as the Baptist held, and the laying on of the hands for the Gift of the Holy Ghost which is my Spirit, by mine authority, which is without beginning of days nor end of years, which is after the Order of Melchizedec, which is after the Order of Enoch, which is after the Order of the Son of God, which authority was held by mine Apostles, Peter, James and John, and the keys of which are held at this time, by my servant Art Bulla.
102 And by obedience to these ordinances and revelations the children of men do the will of the Father and enter into the kingdom of God on the earth.
103 Thus and only thus are men born again, and any other doctrine which is taught even though he be an angel of light or one of the ministers of thy day, even as Billy Graham, or an Apollos, or a Spencer Kimball, or the pope is false, for the devil transformeth himself and his ministers into angels of light, though his ministers know it not, they are not guiltless before me.
104 For if they were honest they would admit they have not received from me one single thing, but speak according to their tradition or according to their opinion, saith the Lord which is not authority.
105 And thereby the devil thinketh to abrogate the plan of salvation voted upon from before the foundation of the world, and only a true prophet, seer, and Revelator of the sons of Jacob have intelligence and might and power to detect through the medium of the Priesthood and rebuke the devil in his machinations and deceivings.
106 And the devil teacheth that these prophets are deluded and are the basest of men.
107 Thus the Prophets of the Holy One of Israel are they not cast out from thy habitations, O man and O woman, that ye crucify them in thy ignorance, before me, saith the Lord God of Israel?
108 For these Prophets were mighty from before the foundation of the world in true science and intelligence, for is the glory of God not intelligence, saith the Lord?
109 And the classes of astronomy and music and mathematics, were they not taught from before the foundation of the world, for the spirits were arranged in classes and grades and teachers, were they not appointed over them, even my sons Mosiah and Levi Hancock, were they not overseers appointed by the Gods, even the council thereof.
110 And was not Jesus of Nazareth and that One Mighty and Strong, were they not the greatest of the sons of God, even in serenity and light and knowledge and intelligence from before the foundation of the world?
111 And that One Mighty and Strong, he also stood with the Father who presided in might over them all and laughed and approved of us in our endeavors and our friendships and our loves.
112 And Moses and Aaron, and Elijah, Jesus, Melchizedec, Brigham Young, Joseph the Seer, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, were they not with us, O man, in the councils of the heavens, and there wast no disharmony, nor jarrings, but each was obedient unto our Father in that day.
113 Even so, should it be here, but for the devil whom each hath wrestled in the day appointed unto him, that each should come forth and do battle in the name of the Father and his Sons, and the Holy Ghost, that having proved themselves, they might take their places with the sons of God on high, even Eloheim.
114 And now, thus saith the Lord, all things were created spiritually before they were temporally.
115 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew was created in the spirit, yea even the earth upon which thou standest had its creation before element combined with matter, saith the Lord God, for the foundation of all matter is spiritual, saith the Lord God.
116 And that spirit which is in man which was with me from the beginning which separateth from the temporal body upon the death thereof, goeth to dwell with other spirits who also move and have their beings, and do not die but go to the spirit of the earth upon which thou standest to await the resurrection, for the resurrection cometh to all men and women except them who cannot repent, even sons of perdition.
117 And they await the resurrection of the just or the unjust, according to the deeds done in the body, saith the Lord God of Israel, my chosen.
118 And the spirits of all men and women were arranged in races and grades according to intelligence from before the foundation of the world and according to their performance in that war fought in heaven.
119 Yea there was a race of men cursed to be a servant of servants 5 from before the foundation of the world, for lack of valiance and bravery in that war in heaven, and this is the curse of Cain the first murderer and this curse wast it not preserved through that which is known as the flood through Ham?
120 And the greatest in the kingdom of heaven must be the least and the servant of all, saith the Lord, hence the ordinance of the washing of the feet hath also been done on other worlds, that the greatest might be in all and above all and through all, the light of truth, saith the Lord God.

121 And these spirits that await the resurrection, if they have been obedient unto mine ordinances which are administered after the Order of Melchizedec, and come out of Babylon which is fallen, and partake of the United Order, they shall have Eternal Life which is the greatest of the gifts of the Gods saith the Lord of Hosts.
122 For Endless is my name and Eternal is my name also, for they shall be my sons and my daughters and dwell with me forever worlds without end and partake with me of such glory, might and intelligence and power that the heart of man is unable to conceive of the greatness thereof, saith the Lord.
123 And he who esteemeth these things which I have caused to be written as a thing of naught shall be cast into that hell which is a lake of fire and brimstone from which there is no deliverance, saith the Lord, for I shall not be mocked.
124 And now as I said concerning the earth upon which thou standest, behold thus saith the Lord, it fulfilleth the measure of its creation, and I have made it to answer the ends of the law, for have I not caused it to be baptized by immersion thereof that it too might become cleansed from all sin, in that day which I did speak from out of the heavens unto my servant Noah?
125 And thus saith the Lord it too shall be baptized with fire and the Holy Ghost in the day not too far distant in the which it shall be cleansed from iniquity.
126 And this thou must do also, O man, if thou art to receive of thine inheritance upon the earth, for it is that thou must keep the Law of the Celestial Kingdom as the earth upon which thou standest, saith the Lord God of Israel.
127 For this is the law and hast it not been done also on other worlds too numerous to count, and have the wicked not also perished from off of them also, saith the Lord?
128 Thus they who are saved from each earth, do they not associate and rejoice together for they who were few, now are many, yea too numerous to be counted by man in his finite understanding?
129 And they are Gods, for they descended below all things while in the flesh, and have proven themselves worthy of my glory, saith the Lord God of Art Bulla.
130 And the earth becometh a body celestial, for it too shall die.
131 Nevertheless it shall be resurrected to receive of its fullness and that according my law, saith the Lord, in the which it shall become a sea of glass and fire, even an Urim and a Thummim 6 upon which they who are bodies celestial shall inhabit it forever and ever, and they shall have access to kingdoms which are of a higher order yet, as well as those which are of a lower.
132 For did I not cause it to be written by the hand of my servant Paul that there are bodies also terrestrial7and also telestial for did not my servant Paul behold these things in the which I the Lord God did remove him from his body that he was also able to behold the workmanship of mine hands, saith the Lord God?
133 For their boundaries are set, for where I am they cannot come worlds without end.
134 For they received not my law when I did call unto them from out of the heavens, and they denied NOT the Holy Ghost, as ye of this generation have done if it be that ye reject these things, saith the Lord, for they were not of thy generation who are saved, saith the Lord, for the earth at that time was not filled with the anti-Christ.
135 And it is for thy sloth, O common man and woman that ye have allowed these things to come among you that ye shall also suffer the second death, if ye repent not, for ye, even ye have allowed yourselves to become corrupted by these anti-Christs even Meade and Freud and Jung and Korihor which they did not do.
136 And them who are saved cannot be enlarged, but must remain in their saved state, separate and single, as they are for eternity to eternity, and is this not damnation?
137 Nevertheless they are in their saved state, though they be not as the sun in the glory and might which proceedeth from their bodies by which glory they are quickened upon the resurrection, for flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of my Heavenly Father, but flesh and bones quickened by spirit, which is light, can, but are some of the moon and some of the stars.
138 And the vision of the telestial and the inhabitants thereof were as numerous as the sands upon the seashore, or as the stars of the sky at night.
139 And the vision of the telestial is that as one star differeth from another in the glory thereof, even so is the resurrection of the telestial.
140 And the man is forever segregated from the woman and the woman from the man in the telestial.
141 For they abused their association, therefore they have not power from me, the Lord their God to associate forever.
142 And if a man or woman will not agree to these conditions, then it is that they, even they shall not be resurrected, but shall suffer the second death with the devil and his angels, for mine anger is it not kindled against the inhabitants of the whole earth in their iniquity before me, saith the Lord?
143 And thus is there weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth.
144 And in the terrestrial, the man and woman associate, for these are the honorable men and women of the earth who were blinded by the cunning craftiness of men who lie in wait to deceive, although there is no union which is called sexual, but this only in the Celestial Kingdom, saith the Lord.
145 And there are laws which govern the telestial as also the terrestrial and the celestial, for in my Father's house there are many mansions.
146 And there is one glory of the sun and another glory of the moon, and another of the stars.
147 For all these are bodies, yea, even in the resurrection, and do they not differ in eternal glory which proceedeth from their bodies, even as there are different races of men in the flesh, O man, and thus do the races of men differ, for the House of Israel is it not the most intelligent, saith the Lord?
148 For they are even as the sun in the glory thereof, even Shem who is Melchizedec and his descendants, and the gentiles, even Japeth, one of the other sons of Noah, from whom the Gentile nations are descended, are they not as the moon in the glory thereof, and the negro, the African tribes or nations, who are descended from Ham, the third of the sons of Noah, are they not as the stars in intelligence and glory?
149 And thus the races of men are more markedly delineated forever and ever in the resurrection, for the bodies in the resurrection which are Celestial are as the sun in brilliance.
150 And all things flee from their glory unless quickened by them.
151 And the glory of the telestial is beyond imagination.
152 And thus my judgment from before the foundation of the world is wrought out upon the inhabitants of the earth, and all exclaim, thy judgments are just, O Lord, and every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is the Christ, and that Art Bulla is that One Mighty and Strong, for all power on earth and in heaven hath been given him also, saith the Father.
153 For he is my second witness, for out of the mouths of two witnesses shall every word be established, and they shall see and know at that day when it is that they bow the knee.
154 And the children of men shall not be resurrected unless it is by his permission, saith the Lord.
155 And he shall rule over these kingdoms forever and ever for they are his dominions which I the Father have given into his hands and they shall be his servants.
156 And the rest of the spirits of men, they go away to reign with the devil and his angels and are devoured by him forever, for they, were they meet for a kingdom of glory?
157 And thus the meek shall inherit the earth, for the meek they, even they are resurrected to possess it, and the devil hath no power, and thus they who be with him possess nothing.
158 For they have no bodies, and this is his punishment, saith the Lord, for death is his end and they are cast into outer darkness along with many of this generation, saith the Lord, if they repent not and believe that I have sent another unto them even as them of old.
159 And there are missionaries even now in the world of spirits preparing the sons of men for the resurrection.
160 For these have not denied the Holy Ghost which attitude if fashionable among this generation, saith the Lord.
161 And the height and depth of the suffering of them who deny the Holy Ghost no man knoweth save he shall be made a partaker thereof, for it doth require millennia for the spirit to die and be ground back down to its native element from which it was begotten, and this by the devil and his angels who are mighty to the destruction of men, and they are without hope having crucified mine Only Begotten unto themselves afresh.
162 And this fate cometh upon all of this generation who receive not my gospel, whether it be Billy Graham, or the Pope, saith the Lord, for they were given much, and where much is given much also is required, even obedience to mine anointed and diligence in keeping his commandments which I the Lord shall give him.
163 And the rest of the vision of the resurrection of the dead is contained within that volume of scripture which I the Lord God did grant unto the people of that generation through the mouth of my servant Joseph Smith, who is even now with me, saith the Lord, in the might of my power as a witness against that generation who killed him in that day, that the foundation of Zion should even be laid.
164 Therefore cease ye from man whose breath is in his nostrils, saith the Lord.
165 And as respecting that theory concerning the origin of man upon the earth in the which he is said to have sprung from orders that are called lower, behold, it is false and cometh from that Evil One who goeth up and down in the earth blinding the hearts of the children of men, in the which they raise their heads in wickedness before me, and deny the Holy Ghost and the Creator that made them.
166 Thus they become devils forever and ever, saith the Lord, and suffer the wrath of the Lord in eternity and are cast into that lake of fire, and their worm dieth not but they are consumed.
167 And the common man and woman is not guiltless before me in these things, saith the Lord, for in their sloth they have allowed themselves to be deceived, even in these things and by false religions.
168 And now concerning the earth upon which thou standest, the revolutions thereof are fixed, yea as also the stars and the planets; all move in their times and their seasons appointed unto them, for I am the Lord thy God and by my power have I created them.
169 And all these are kingdoms and must abide the law unto which they were appointed, yea as even the earth upon which thou standest, and as there are laws which govern the planets there are also laws unto which I have appointed to govern the spirits or souls of men and all who abide my law shall have glory added upon their heads forever and ever;
170 For it is by my law, that all who are governed thereby are preserved and sanctified, for without law, there can be no order, and without order all things must remain in confusion and a state of chaos, which thing is displeasing unto me, saith the Lord.
171 Yet all intelligence if free to act within the boundaries of the sphere appointed unto it, saith the Lord of all creation, that all may fill the measure of their creation, that all may have joy therein.
172 And it is my desire that that order which existed among all things in the spirit, saith the Lord, yea even before the world was created should be done temporally according to my will and commandments which I dispense unto the children of men through the medium of mine appointment which is after the Order of Melchizedec, saith the Lord God of Israel.
173 And thus is the foundation of all righteous government which cometh from me, saith the Lord.
174 And it is now my will, saith the Lord God of Israel, that all other governments among men which are not of me, but are after the Order of that Evil One or of man should become done away among you, that I may organize you according to the intelligence of mine anointed, who is mine administrator, saith the Lord, according to that pattern which was established before the world was;
175 That the pain and suffering and lack of fulfillment which doth exist to such a marked degree even now among you be done away, and that I the Lord thy God should take up my abode upon the earth which thou standest;
176 That thereby the earth may fulfill the measure of its creation, for unto this end was it appointed that it might become the dwelling place of the sons and daughters of God.
177 And the wicked and disobedient will I destroy, saith the Lord, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch in that day which not far distant which shall burn as an oven, as I spake through the mouth of my servant Malachi.
178 Even so. Amen.

1. Matt 24:34.

2. John 10:34-36.

3. Malachi 4:1; J.S.2:37.

4. Matt 12:31-32.

5. Genesis 9:25.

6. These are two Hebrew words meaning lights and perfections, mentioned in the Book of Ezra and Nehemiah, in connection with the Priestly office.

7. I Corinthians 15:40-41.

b D&C 132:30-33.

d I Corinthians 15:50.

c Jeremiah 1:5.

a Rev 20:12

First Vision

FIRST VISION

While journeying on foot about 10:00 P.M. in the east, being inducted into the armed forces the next day, being on the way to the bus station to travel to the armed forces induction station in Raleigh, N.C, I received the following vision, while on the road on foot:

December 29, 1969, while enwrapted in a heavenly vision, It seemed that I, Art Bulla, was removed out of my body, or whether in the body or out of it I could not tell, and I beheld his face, and He spake unto me face to face as one man speaks unto another for forty-five minutes or an hour, and whether in the body or out of it, I could not tell, for I beheld his glory, which surpasses all understanding, and spake while in the vision, in a much better tongue than any spoken by man at this time, which I supposed to be the Adamic Tongue, my understanding being quickened by such might and intelligence and power that it is beyond the mind of man unaided by the Spirit of Revelation which dwells yet within me, to comprehend, and indeed no words can convey, for it seemed that I was transfigured before Him of whom I speak, my God in whom I bear record as others have before me, that He lives, for I too have seen Him. And tongue cannot express his matchless might, glory, power and intelligence, and I shall forever adore his glory, for having once beheld his face and felt of his love and might and power and beheld things which I cannot convey, for there is no language, I must, I MUST obtain his presence, and I shall not be content with anything else, this world or its allurements. And having been ordained unto the Holy Order of God which is after the Order of Melchizedec, even the Holy Apostleship, the keys of which I hold, I bear record of my Father, for I have seen Him and conversed with him, and I testify that He shall return in this the Latter Day as soon as my people are straightened from this crooked and perverse generation which shall be destroyed by the might of his power, and that they be gathered out according to the Revelations which are being given unto me, almost daily at this time, which is one of the darkest periods and most wicked because of unbelief in the history of the earth, that Zion may descend and that the heavens and the earth mingle and become One, as prayed by the Only Begotten, even my brother Jesus of Nazereth. Yea, my Father, I pray that thy will be done and thy Kingdom come on earth as it is in heaven. Even so. Amen.

Debate on Mormon Newsgroup Concerning Ken Ham

Art Bulla View profile More options Apr 30 2005, 11:52 pm
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I disagree with Ken Hom on dinosaurs. You see I know that Adam and Eve were transplanted from another planet, here into a garden and the former creation was made desolate. This Ken Ham does not believe. But I receive all truth no matter from where it comes and I discard error, for I have taken the Holy Ghost for my guide.

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Concerning quotes (out of context): these are distortions, taken out of the context of the blasphemies and insults placed upon me by the vilest of traitors and foul wretches imagineable. Jesus kicked their asses out of the Temple and I do the same to all god damned liars and hypocrites. I make no apology. God is my judge. If this fellow (Manning) were honest he would include these, and all would see that I am justified by the Lord in my responses. The word of the Lord is given on the matter in the following:

Verily, if a man be called of my Father, as was Aaron, by mine own voice, and by the voice of him that sent me, and I have endowed him with the keys of the power of this priesthood, if he do anything in my name, and according to my law and by my word, he will not commit sin, and I will justify him. Let no one, therefore, set on my servant for I will justify him. saith the Lord your God.

Manning is as mendacious about not being a queer as Ward Churchill is about being an Indian. Typical of the delusional left. Not moored in truth or reality.

THE GOLDEN RULE OF DISINFORMERS: Always accuse your adversary of whatever is true about yourself.

"Nothing has more retarded the advancement of learning than the disposition of vulgar minds to ridicule and vilify what they do not understand." Dr.Samuel Johnson.

The Revelations of Jesus Christ:

Discourses of Brigham Young, Pg.68 As it has always been, and will be yet for some time, when the sons of God assemble together Satan will be on hand as an accuser of the brethren, to find fault with those who are trying to do good.

"But we ask, does it remain for a people who never had faith enough to call down one scrap of revelation from heaven, and for all they have now are indebted to the faith of another people...does it remain for them to say how much God has spoken and how much He has not spoken?" Joseph Smith

"Every generation has flattered itself that it is a little better than the one that preceded it. Every generation has prided itself in its knowledge and great advancement in the arts and sciences and its superiority over preceding generations; yet the power of the adversary and his hatred of righteousness and truth are as great to-day as they ever were since the creation of the earth." Journal of Discourses, Vol.11, Pg.228 - Pg.229, George Q. Cannon, May 6, 1866

"Some men are natural born saints; whenever a principle is advanced they understand it, and drink it in; * * * while there are others who do not understand and oppose every principle that is not clear to their mind. This can be accounted for, that we are not all pure blooded, for Ephraim became foolish and mixed up with the gentiles. When we find the pure blood of Ephraim, we find a natural born child of God and there is nothing in the gospel that is objectionable to them, but the others have to exercise faith in God and humble themselves before Him and live for it." (Deseret Weekly,
50:250-251)

35 And the rebellious shall be cut off out of the land of Zion, and shall be sent away, and shall not inherit the land. 36 For, verily I say that the rebellious are not of the blood of Ephraim, wherefore they shall be plucked out.

(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 64:35 - 36)


Kevin Z View profile More options May 1 2005, 9:11 am
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RetroProphet wrote: "Dinosaurs and the Bible" by Ken Ham A critique by Michael Suttkus http://home.austarnet.com.au/stear/dinos_and_bible_suttkus.htm

Wow, I can't imagine why anyone would go so far to prove a seven day creation concept. To throw science out the widow, completely, is absurd.

If you use a simple concept..... Seven periods of time. Everything works out, and science does not conflict with Religion

Dinosaurs were a part of building up the earth for us to live on. What or why is speculation, when they weren't necessary anymore, they were removed.

I prefer to look at it as controlled, or guided evolution.


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I do not take Ken Ham's theological position on the creation, you know it. His theology replacing evolution is in some degree incorrect. Adam and Eve did not evolve, controlled or otherwise and you have brought a curse upon yourself because of this gentile idiocy. Adam and Eve were brought here from another earth, having been resurrected off that earth by the Eloheim (the Gods). Evolution is completely wrong. In this Ken Ham and I agree. So I use scholarly treatises published from that web site to conveniently discourage the evolutionary religionists from their false religion. Brigham Young and Joseph Smith taught the correct science. Evolutionism in any form is blasphemy, saith the Lord, and produces this point of view among the Mormons that eternal truths change according to circumstances. In other words if Jimmuh Carter and the IRS threaten to persecute the money changers in the Mormon Church, then they conveniently abandon inviolable truth to "get along" with the gentiles.

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Concerning quotes (out of context): these are distortions, taken out of the context of the blasphemies and insults placed upon me by the vilest of traitors and foul wretches imagineable. Jesus kicked their asses out of the Temple and I do the same to all god damned liars and hypocrites. I make no apology. God is my judge. If this fellow (Manning) were honest he would include these, and all would see that I am justified by the Lord in my responses. The word of the Lord is given on the matter in the following:

Verily, if a man be called of my Father, as was Aaron, by mine own voice, and by the voice of him that sent me, and I have endowed him with the keys of the power of this priesthood, if he do anything in my name, and according to my law and by my word, he will not commit sin, and I will justify him. Let no one, therefore, set on my servant for I will justify him. saith the Lord your God.

Manning is as mendacious about not being a queer as Ward Churchill is about being an Indian. Typical of the delusional left. Not moored in truth or reality.

THE GOLDEN RULE OF DISINFORMERS: Always accuse your adversary of whatever is true about yourself.

"Nothing has more retarded the advancement of learning than the disposition of vulgar minds to ridicule and vilify what they do not understand." Dr.Samuel Johnson.

The Revelations of Jesus Christ:

Discourses of Brigham Young, Pg.68 As it has always been, and will be yet for some time, when the sons of God assemble together Satan will be on hand as an accuser of the brethren, to find fault with those who are trying to do good.

"But we ask, does it remain for a people who never had faith enough to call down one scrap of revelation from heaven, and for all they have now are indebted to the faith of another people...does it remain for them to say how much God has spoken and how much He has not spoken?" Joseph Smith

"Every generation has flattered itself that it is a little better than the one that preceded it. Every generation has prided itself in its knowledge and great advancement in the arts and sciences and its superiority over preceding generations; yet the power of the adversary and his hatred of righteousness and truth are as great to-day as they ever were since the creation of the earth." Journal of Discourses, Vol.11, Pg.228 - Pg.229, George Q. Cannon, May 6, 1866

"Some men are natural born saints; whenever a principle is advanced they understand it, and drink it in; * * * while there are others who do not understand and oppose every principle that is not clear to their mind. This can be accounted for, that we are not all pure blooded, for Ephraim became foolish and mixed up with the gentiles. When we find the pure blood of Ephraim, we find a natural born child of God and there is nothing in the gospel that is objectionable to them, but the others have to exercise faith in God and humble themselves before Him and live for it." (Deseret Weekly,
50:250-251)

35 And the rebellious shall be cut off out of the land of Zion, and shall be sent away, and shall not inherit the land. 36 For, verily I say that the rebellious are not of the blood of Ephraim, wherefore they shall be plucked out.

(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 64:35 - 36)

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"Dinosaurs and the Bible" by Ken Ham A critique by Michael Suttkus http://home.austarnet.com.au/stear/dinos_and_bible_suttkus.htm

Wow, I can't imagine why anyone would go so far to prove a seven day creation concept. To throw science out the widow, completely, is absurd.

If you use a simple concept..... Seven periods of time. Everything works out, and science does not conflict with Religion

Dinosaurs were a part of building up the earth for us to live on. What or why is speculation, when they weren't necessary anymore, they were removed.

I prefer to look at it as controlled, or guided evolution.


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Art Bulla wrote: I disagree with Ken Hom on dinosaurs. You see I know that Adam and Eve were transplanted from another planet, here into a garden and the former creation was made desolate. This Ken Ham does not believe. But I receive all truth no matter from where it comes and I discard error, for I have taken the Holy Ghost for my guide.

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RetroProphet wrote:

"Dinosaurs and the Bible" by Ken Ham A critique by Michael Suttkus http://home.austarnet.com.au/stear/dinos_and_bible_suttkus.htm

Wow, I can't imagine why anyone would go so far to prove a seven day creation concept. To throw science out the widow, completely, is absurd.

If you use a simple concept..... Seven periods of time. Everything works out, and science does not conflict with Religion

Dinosaurs were a part of building up the earth for us to live on. What or why is speculation, when they weren't necessary anymore, they were removed.

I prefer to look at it as controlled, or guided evolution.

An amazing admission from Kevin Zoellner, that he's an Evolutionist. He was a closet Evolutionist after all! In a way, he and John Manning have much in common. Art Bulla is once again proven right, that the wicked professing Christ also believe in Evolution, not in God.

"Adam came into the garden with a celestial body, which had been resurrected from an older earth. He and Eve, one of his wives, along with plants and animals were brought here by his Father and his Jehovah and planted in a garden eastward in Eden after the former creation had been made desolate, saith the Lord, by a mighty convulsion, hence the fossils in the ground, but we are not descended from them." Received by Art Bulla the One Mighty and Strong.

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http://www.artbulla.com

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"It is the disposition of vulgar minds to ridicule and vilify what they do not understand." Dr.Samuel Johnson.

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Concerning quotes (out of context): these are distortions, taken out of the context of the blasphemies and insults placed upon me by the vilest of traitors and foul wretches imagineable. Jesus kicked their asses out of the Temple and I do the same to all god damned liars and hypocrites. I make no apology. God is my judge. If this fellow (Manning) were honest he would include these, and all would see that I am justified by the Lord in my responses. The word of the Lord is given on the matter in the following:

Verily, if a man be called of my Father, as was Aaron, by mine own voice, and by the voice of him that sent me, and I have endowed him with the keys of the power of this priesthood, if he do anything in my name, and according to my law and by my word, he will not commit sin, and I will justify him. Let no one, therefore, set on my servant for I will justify him. saith the Lord your God.

Manning is as mendacious about not being a queer as Ward Churchill is about being an Indian. Typical of the delusional left. Not moored in truth or reality.

THE GOLDEN RULE OF DISINFORMERS: Always accuse your adversary of whatever is true about yourself.

"Nothing has more retarded the advancement of learning than the The Revelations of Jesus Christ:

Discourses of Brigham Young, Pg.68 As it has always been, and will be yet for some time, when the sons of God assemble together Satan will be on hand as an accuser of the brethren, to find fault with those who are trying to do good.

"But we ask, does it remain for a people who never had faith enough to call down one scrap of revelation from heaven, and for all they have now are indebted to the faith of another people...does it remain for them to say how much God has spoken and how much He has not spoken?" Joseph Smith

"Every generation has flattered itself that it is a little better than the one that preceded it. Every generation has prided itself in its knowledge and great advancement in the arts and sciences and its superiority over preceding generations; yet the power of the adversary and his hatred of righteousness and truth are as great to-day as they ever were since the creation of the earth." Journal of Discourses, Vol.11, Pg.228 - Pg.229, George Q. Cannon, May 6, 1866

"Some men are natural born saints; whenever a principle is advanced they understand it, and drink it in; * * * while there are others who do not understand and oppose every principle that is not clear to their mind. This can be accounted for, that we are not all pure blooded, for Ephraim became foolish and mixed up with the gentiles. When we find the pure blood of Ephraim, we find a natural born child of God and there is nothing in the gospel that is objectionable to them, but the others have to exercise faith in God and humble themselves before Him and live for it." (Deseret Weekly,
50:250-251)

35 And the rebellious shall be cut off out of the land of Zion, and shall be sent away, and shall not inherit the land. 36 For, verily I say that the rebellious are not of the blood of Ephraim, wherefore they shall be plucked out.

(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 64:35 - 36)

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I disagree with Ken Hom on dinosaurs. You see I know that Adam and Eve were transplanted from another planet, here into a garden and the former creation was made desolate. This Ken Ham does not believe. But I receive all truth no matter from where it comes and I discard error, for I have taken the Holy Ghost for my guide.


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On the Plurality of Gods

On alt.religion.christianity, someone posted that there is only one God in response to a post that I wrote that there are are numerous Gods. I replied:

There are many Gods but there is only but one God to each earth. I know this to be true having the Holy Spirit as a testimony of the veracity of it.

6 I have said, Ye [are] gods; and all of you [are] children of the most High.
7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

(Ps 82:6-7)

34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the
scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

(John 10:34-36)

5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6 But to us [there is but] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom [are] all things, and we by him.

(1 Cor 8:5-6)

32 And by the word of my power, have I created them, which is mine Only Begotten Son, who is full of grace and truth.
33 And worlds without number have I created; and I also created them for mine own purpose; and by the Son I created them, which is mine Only Begotten.
34 And the first man of all men have I called Adam, which is many.
35 But only an account of this earth, and the inhabitants thereof, give I
unto you. For behold, there are many worlds that have passed away by the word of my power. And there are many that now stand, and innumerable are they unto man; but all things are numbered unto me, for they are mine and I know them.

(Moses 1:32-35)

Some say I do not interpret the Scripture the same as they do. They say it means the heathen's gods. Paul says there are Gods many and Lords many; and that makes a plurality of Gods, in spite of the whims of all men. Without a revelation, I am not going to give them the knowledge of the God of heaven. You know and I testify that Paul had no allusion to the heathen gods. I have it from God, and get over it if you can. I have a witness of the Holy Ghost, and a testimony that Paul had no allusion to the heathen gods in the text. I will show from the Hebrew Bible that I am correct, and the first word shows a plurality of Gods; and I want the apostates and learned men to come here and prove to the contrary, if they can. An unlearned boy must give you a little Hebrew. Berosheit baurau Eloheim ait aushamayeen vehau auraits, rendered by King James' translators, "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." I want to analyze the word Berosheit. Rosh, the head; Sheit, a grammatical termination; the Baith was not originally put there when the inspired man wrote it, but it has been since added by an old Jew. Baurau signifies to bring forth; Eloheim is from the word Eloi, God, in the singular number; and by adding the word heim, it renders it Gods. It read first, "In the beginning the head of the Gods brought forth the Gods," or, as others have translated it, "The head of the Gods called the Gods together." I want to show a little learning as well as other fools.
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The head God organized the heavens and the earth. I defy all the world to refute me. In the beginning the heads of the Gods organized the heavens and the earth. Now the learned priests and the people rage, and the heathen imagine a vain thing. If we pursue the Hebrew text further, it reads, "The head one of the Gods said, Let us make a man in our own image." I once asked a learned Jew, "If the Hebrew language compels us to render all words ending in heim in the plural, why not render the first Eloheim plural?" He replied, "That is the rule with few exceptions; but in this case it would ruin the Bible." He acknowledged I was right. I came here to investigate these things precisely as I believe them. Hear and judge for yourselves; and if you go away satisfied, well and good. In the very beginning the Bible shows there is a plurality of Gods beyond the power of refutation. It is a great subject I am dwelling on. The word Eloheim ought to be in the plural all the way through-Gods. The heads of the Gods appointed one God for us; and when you take [that] view of the subject, its sets one free to see all the beauty, holiness and perfection of the Gods. All I want is to get the simple, naked truth, and the whole truth. Many men say there is one God; the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost are only one God. I say that is a strange God anyhow-three in one, and one in three! It is a curious organization. "Father, I pray not for the world, but I pray for them which thou hast given me." "Holy Father, keep through Thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one as we are." All are to be crammed into one God, according to sectarianism. It would make the biggest God in all the world. He would be a wonderfully big God-he would be a giant or a monster. I want to read the text to you myself-"I am agreed with the Father and the Father is agreed with me, and we are agreed as one." The Greek shows that it should be agreed. "Father, I pray for them which Thou hast given me out of the world, and not for those alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word, that they all may be agreed, as Thou, Father, are with me, and I with Thee, that they also may be agreed with us," and all come to dwell in unity, and in all the glory and everlasting burnings of the Gods; and then we shall see as we are seen, and be as our God and He as His Father. I want to reason a little on this subject. I learned it by translating the papyrus which is now in my house.

(Joseph Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, selected and arranged by Joseph Fielding Smith, p.371-372)

Who Created God ?

On alt.atheism, someone posted:
> FWIW in at least one sense, God _IS_ life. If we ask who created life, then
> we must ask who created God.

Verse 6 plainly shows that our God has a Father too.

5 And from Jesus Christ, [who is] the faithful witness, [and] the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him [be] glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

(Rev 1:5-6)

I learned a testimony concerning Abraham, and he reasoned concerning the God of heaven. "In order to do that," said he, "suppose we have two facts: that supposes another fact may exist-two men on the earth, one wiser than the other, would logically show that another who is wiser than the wisest may exist. Intelligences exist one above another, so that there is no end to them."
If Abraham reasoned thus-If Jesus Christ was the Son of God, and John discovered that God the Father of Jesus Christ had a Father, you may suppose that He had a Father also. Where was there ever a son without a father? And where was there ever a father without first being a son? Whenever did a tree or anything spring into existence without a progenitor? And everything comes in this way. Paul says that which is earthly is in the likeness of that which is heavenly, Hence if Jesus had a Father, can we not believe that He had a Father also? I despise the idea of being scared to death at such a doctrine, for the Bible is full of it.
I want you to pay particular attention to what I am saying. Jesus said that the Father wrought precisely in the same way as His Father had done before Him. As the Father had done before? He laid down His life, and took it up the same as His Father had done before. He did as He was sent, to lay down His life and take it up again; and then was committed unto Him the keys. I know it is good reasoning.

(Joseph Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, selected and arranged by Joseph Fielding Smith, p.373)

I will go back to the beginning before the world was, to show what kind of being God is. What sort of a being was God in the beginning? Open your ears and hear, all ye ends of the earth, for I am going to prove it to you by the Bible, and to tell you the designs of God in relation to the human race, and why He interferes with the affairs of man.
God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens! That is the great secret. If the veil were rent today, and the great God who holds this world in its orbit, and who upholds all worlds and all things by his power, was to make himself visible,-I say, if you were to see him today, you would see him like a man in form-like yourselves in all the person, image, and very form as a man; for Adam was created in the very fashion, image and likeness of God, and received instruction from, and walked, talked and conversed with him, as one man talks and communes with another.
In order to understand the subject of the dead, for consolation of those who mourn for the loss of their friends, it is necessary we should understand the character and being of God and how he came to be so; for I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see.
These are incomprehensible ideas to some, but they are simple. It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the Character of God, and to know that we may converse with him as one man converses with another, and that he was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ himself did; and I will show it from the Bible.

(Joseph Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, selected and arranged by Joseph Fielding Smith, p.345)

I wish I was in a suitable place to tell it, and that I had the trump of an archangel, so that I could tell the story in such a manner that persecution would cease for ever. What did Jesus say? (Mark it, Elder Rigdon!) The Scriptures inform us that Jesus said, As the Father hath power in Himself, even so hath the Son power-to do what? Why, what the Father did. The answer is obvious-in a manner to lay down His body and take it up again. Jesus, what are you going to do? To lay down my life as my Father did, and take it up again. Do we believe it? If you do not believe it, you do not believe the Bible. The Scriptures say it, and I defy all the learning and wisdom and all the combined powers of earth and hell together to refute it.
Here, then, is eternal life-to know the only wise and true God; and you have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the same as all Gods have done before you, namely, by going from one small degree to another, and from a small capacity to a great one; from grace to grace, from exaltation to exaltation, until you attain to the resurrection of the dead, and are able to dwell in everlasting burnings, and to sit in glory, as do those who sit enthroned in everlasting power. And I want you to know that God, in the last days, while certain individuals are proclaiming his name, is not trifling with you or me.

(Joseph Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, selected and arranged by Joseph Fielding Smith, p.346)

Adam was an immortal being when he came to this earth. He had lived on an earth similar to ours. He had received the priesthood and the keys thereof, and had been faithful in all things, and had gained his resurrection, and his exaltation and was crowned with glory, immortality and eternal lives, and was numbered with the Gods, for such he became through his faithfulness.
(Brigham Young quoted in the Journal of L. John Nuttall, Feb 7, 1887)

"Now hear it, O inhabitants of the earth, Jew and Gentile, Saint and sinner! When our father Adam came into the Garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world. He is MICHAEL, the archangel, the ANCIENT OF DAYS! about whom holy men have written and spoken. HE is our FATHER and our GOD, and the Only God with whom WE have to do. Every man upon the earth, professing Christians and non-professing, must hear it, and will know it sooner or later . . . When Adam and Eve had eaten of the forbidden fruit, their bodies became mortal from its effects and therefore their offspring were mortal. When the Virgin Mary conceived the child Jesus, the Father had begotten him in his own likeness. He was not begotten of the Holy Ghost. And who is the Father? He is the first of the human family; and when he took a tabernacle, it was begotten by his Father in heaven . . . Jesus, our elder brother, was begotten in the flesh by the same character that was in the Garden of Ede, and who is our Father in Heaven. Now, let all who may hear these doctrines, pause before they make light of them, or treat them with indifference, for they will prove their salvation or damnation."
(Brigham Young from Journal of Discourses, 1:50-51 1854)

Eliza R. Snow: "When Brigham Young proclaimed to the nations that Adam was our Father and God, and Eve, his partner, the Mother of a world--both in a mortal and a Celestial sense--he made the most important revelation ever oracled to the race since the days of Adam, himself." Women of Mormendom; p.196-7.

The Ultimatum of Human Life

Eliza R. Snow

Adam, your God, like you on earth, has been

Subject to sorrow in a world of sin:

Through long gradation He arose to be

Clothed with the Godhead's might and majesty.

And What to him in his probative sphere,

Whether a Bishop, Deacon, Priest or Seer?

Whate'er his offices and callings were,

He magnified them with assiduous care:

By his obedience he obtained the place

Of God and Father of this human race.

Obedience will the same bright garland weave,

As it has done for your great Mother, Eve,

For all her daughters on the Earth, who will

All my requirements sacredly fulfill.

And what to Eve, though in her mortal life,

She'd been the first, the tenth, or fiftieth wife?

Whether by fools, considered small, or great?

'Twas all the same with her--she'd prove her worth--

She's now the Goddess and Queen of Earth.

Book of Mormon Prophesized in the Bible

A bigot anti-Mormon who are a dime a dozen said on alt.religion.christianity:

>Art Bulla and the Lord Jesus Christ, the Messiah, and Savior of mankind are not one in the same, Aaron. You may hold Bulla in high esteem, but I assure you, he's no Messiah (much less a prophet). No Aaron, as the Scripture says, "My sheep know My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me" (John 10:27). As one of Jesus' sheep, I assure you, I would NOT "have wanted to straitjacket Jesus".

"If Jesus spoke as rough things to this generation as he did the Jews, this generation would crucify him all over again." Joseph Smith

Messiah is an office in the Priesthood. It means "Lords' Anointed". Jesus is the Only Begotten, an office too. By its name, obviously you know there is only one who is the Only Begotten. There are two main tribes of Israel, Judah and Ephraim. Ephraim was invaded by Assyria and taken captive and scattered through Europe, losing their national identity permanently. Through the Lord's invisible guiding hand, the remnants of Ephraim were re-gathered on North America and formed the United States. Judah rejected their Messiah will Ephraim reject theirs ?

1 NOW the sons of Reuben the firstborn of Israel, (for he [was] the firstborn; but, forasmuch as he defiled his father's bed, his birthright was given unto the sons of Joseph the son of Israel: and the genealogy is not to be reckoned after the birthright.
2 For Judah prevailed above his brethren, and of him [came] the chief ruler; but the birthright [was] Joseph's:)

(1 Chronicles 5:1-2)

16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and [for] all the house of Israel his companions:
17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.

(Ezek 37:16-17)

5 Behold, this is wisdom in me; wherefore, marvel not, for the hour cometh that I will drink of the fruit of the vine with you on the earth, and with Moroni, whom I have sent unto you to reveal the Book of Mormon, containing the fulness of my everlasting gospel, to whom I have committed the keys of the record of the stick of Ephraim;

(D&C 27:5)

The Book of Mormon
As recorded in the Book of Mormon, Lehi was warned that Jerusalem would be destroyed, and he was advised to take his family and leave. As he listened to the voice of the Lord and followed his instructions, he and his family were led out of the city to safety and into the new world, later to be known as America, while they who remained were destroyed or taken into captivity.
While the prophets in the old land were receiving revelations from God, the people of Lehi on this, the American continent, were not left without guidance. Prophets were raised up through whom God spoke and directed his people in all their doings as they would listen. He revealed to them also, 600 years before Christ's coming, that he would come, that he was the Savior of the world, that he would be persecuted and crucified, and that he would be resurrected.
This was foretold clearly by Lehi, Nephi, Alma, and others, including Samuel, to whom it had been revealed the exact time that Jesus Christ would be born. They were told of the signs which would be shown on this, the American continent, at the time of Christ's birth and crucifixion. Every word which had been revealed to them regarding these events was fulfilled. Following his crucifixion Christ appeared personally to the people on this, the American continent, and taught them the truths of the gospel.
Many of the revelations recorded in the Old and New Testaments, as well as in the Book of Mormon, refer most clearly to these, the latter days. Some of these are not generally understood by the world and can only be understood through revelations which were received in these the latter days, by the Prophet Joseph Smith. One example of these is that of John the Revelator who, when looking into the future, said:
Another Angel
"And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
"Saying with a loud voice, Fear God and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters." (Rev. 14:6-7.)
This revelation was fulfilled and clearly understood when the Angel Moroni did fly in the midst of heaven and appeared to Joseph Smith and told him of the plates which contained the gospel in its fullness. Joseph said that as the Angel Moroni appeared to him, he called him by name and told him that ". . . there was a book deposited written upon gold plates, giving an account of the former inhabitants of this continent, and the source from whence they sprang. He also said that the fullness of the everlasting Gospel was contained in it, as delivered by the Savior to the ancient inhabitants." (Joseph Smith 2:34.)
The Gospel Restored
Thus we know that the angel, as predicted or prophesied by John the Revelator has flown, that this great and glorious gospel has been restored in its fullness by the Lord through the Prophet Joseph Smith to be preached to every nation, kindred, tongue, and people.
Another revelation recorded in the Old Testament which refers to these, the latter days, and has reference to the Book of Mormon, is that received by Ezekiel wherein he says:
"The word of the Lord came again unto me, saying,
"Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:
"And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand." (Ezek. 37:15-17.)
As I read this, I went to the Interpreter's Bible, which is written in twelve volumes, and is a commentary on all of the Old and New Testaments. This commentary was prepared by thirty-six consulting editors with over one hundred recognized, capable contributors and deals with all quotations from the Bible, taking them verse by verse and explaining their meaning and application. When I came to Ezekiel 37th chapter, verses 15 through 17, which I have just read, no feasible explanation was given, but conjectures only were made. This is no reflection on the editors or contributors to this great commentary, as they knew of no way to get the meaning.
Here again, by direct revelation and by direct revelation only, do we understand clearly what Ezekiel meant. Here the stick of Judah as referred to is the Bible, and the stick of Ephraim, which is written for Joseph and all the house of Israel his companions, is the Book of Mormon. Through the power of God and by direct revelation, this Book of Mormon, which contains the gospel in its fullness, was translated, and it with the Bible, became "one in thine hand." How clear and simple the words of Ezekiel become if we will but listen to the prophet's voice!

(President Nathan Eldon Tanner, Conference Report, April 1964, Second DayMorning Meeting, p.61-63)

Jesus said to the Jews:

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, [and] one shepherd.

(John 10:16)

After Jesus' resurrection, aside from visiting His Jewish Apostles, He visited the Nephites and Lamanites on the Americas:

14 And not at any time hath the Father given me commandment that I should tell it unto your brethren at Jerusalem.
15 Neither at any time hath the Father given me commandment that I should tell unto them concerning the other tribes of the house of Israel, whom the Father hath led away out of the land.
16 This much did the Father command me, that I should tell unto them:
17 That other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
18 And now, because of stiffneckedness and unbelief they understood not my word; therefore I was commanded to say no more of the Father concerning this thing unto them.
19 But, verily, I say unto you that the Father hath commanded me, and I tell it unto you, that ye were separated from among them because of their iniquity; therefore it is because of their iniquity that they know not of you.
20 And verily, I say unto you again that the other tribes hath the Father separated from them; and it is because of their iniquity that they know not of them.
21 And verily I say unto you, that ye are they of whom I said: Other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
22 And they understood me not, for they supposed it had been the Gentiles; for they understood not that the Gentiles should be converted through their preaching.
23 And they understood me not that I said they shall hear my voice; and they understood me not that the Gentiles should not at any time hear my voice--that I should not manifest myself unto them save it were by the Holy Ghost.
24 But behold, ye have both heard my voice, and seen me; and ye are my sheep, and ye are numbered among those whom the Father hath given me.

(3 Ne 15:14-24)

3 And because my words shall hiss forth--many of the Gentiles shall say: A Bible! A Bible! We have got a Bible, and there cannot be any more Bible.
4 But thus saith the Lord God: O fools, they shall have a Bible; and it shall proceed forth from the Jews, mine ancient covenant people. And what thank they the Jews for the Bible which they receive from them? Yea, what do the Gentiles mean? Do they remember the travails, and the labors, and the pains of the Jews, and their diligence unto me, in bringing forth salvation unto the Gentiles?
5 O ye Gentiles, have ye remembered the Jews, mine ancient covenant people? Nay; but ye have cursed them, and have hated them, and have not sought to recover them. But behold, I will return all these things upon your own heads; for I the Lord have not forgotten my people.
6 Thou fool, that shall say: A Bible, we have got a Bible, and we need no more Bible. Have ye obtained a Bible save it were by the Jews?
7 Know ye not that there are more nations than one? Know ye not that I, the Lord your God, have created all men, and that I remember those who are upon the isles of the sea; and that I rule in the heavens above and in the earth beneath; and I bring forth my word unto the children of men, yea, even upon all the nations of the earth?
8 Wherefore murmur ye, because that ye shall receive more of my word? Know ye not that the testimony of two nations is a witness unto you that I am God, that I remember one nation like unto another? Wherefore, I speak the same words unto one nation like unto another. And when the two nations shall run together the testimony of the two nations shall run together also.
9 And I do this that I may prove unto many that I am the same yesterday, today, and forever; and that I speak forth my words according to mine own pleasure. And because that I have spoken one word ye need not suppose that I cannot speak another; for my work is not yet finished; neither shall it be until the end of man, neither from that time henceforth and forever.
10 Wherefore, because that ye have a Bible ye need not suppose that it contains all my words; neither need ye suppose that I have not caused more to be written.
11 For I command all men, both in the east and in the west, and in the north, and in the south, and in the islands of the sea, that they shall write the words which I speak unto them; for out of the books which shall be written I will judge the world, every man according to their works, according to that which is written.
12 For behold, I shall speak unto the Jews and they shall write it; and I shall also speak unto the Nephites and they shall write it; and I shall also speak unto the other tribes of the house of Israel, which I have led away, and they shall write it; and I shall also speak unto all nations of the earth and they shall write it.
13 And it shall come to pass that the Jews shall have the words of the Nephites, and the Nephites shall have the words of the Jews; and the Nephites and the Jews shall have the words of the lost tribes of Israel; and the lost tribes of Israel shall have the words of the Nephites and the Jews.
14 And it shall come to pass that my people, which are of the house of Israel, shall be gathered home unto the lands of their possessions; and my word also shall be gathered in one. And I will show unto them that fight against my word and against my people, who are of the house of Israel, that I am God, and that I covenanted with Abraham that I would remember his seed forever.

(2 Ne 29:3-14)