Debate with Van Hale on Keys

by Art Bulla

Sun, Apr 1, 2012

Van Hale called into program and divergent views on the keys and where they lie ensued. Lasted for most of the program. However, Mr. Hale began to repeat himself, and filibuster somewhat (the very thing he accuses me of doing!). Quinn's principle demonstrated by Mr. Hale: "What a liberal says is never wrong, only they haven't been allowed to say enough of it yet!" We do appreciate his calling in, however, and encourage further colloquia

Brigham Young, Deseret News, June 6, 1877, p. 274:
"The Seventies are Apostles; and they stand next in authority to the Twelve ... If through the providence of God the First Presidency and the Twelve were taken away, then it would be the duty of the Seventies to preach the Gospel, build up the Church, and ordain every officer requisite in order to establish the Church, and ordain High Priests, Bishops, High Counsellors, Patriarchs, and set in order the whole church in all the world. This is according to the revelations given to us ... I suppose I ordained hundreds of Seventies in early days. Brother Joseph Smith has come to us many times, saying, ‘Brethren, you are going to ordain Seventies. Do not forget to confer the high priesthood (Melchizedek priesthood) upon them. Ordain each of them to the High Priesthood, and to be one of the Seventy Apostles.’ This was my language in the ordination of the Seventies, and that is the way I ordain them now."

Parley P. Pratt, Nauvoo Record Book B, p. 226:
"... in case the quorum of the Twelve should by any means become disorganized, that the Seventies held the jurisdiction and authority of Presidency of the Church in all the world wherever it might be found. That the High Priest’s duty would be the same as it is now; they have to attend to their affairs, but the authority of Presidency over the whole Church belonged to the Seventies; and if all the Seventies were killed off except one Seventy, that Seventy would not only possess the right but would be duty bound to stand in their place as the First Presidency of the Church. He said that Joseph Smith the Prophet undertook to establish this idea in the minds of the brethren in Kirtland, but the jealousies that began to arise in the minds of the High Priests prevented him from doing so ... He further stated that the difference between the authority of the Seventies and the High Priests was this: The High Priests possessed the High Priesthood, but the Seventies possessed the High Priesthood and the Apostleship, which was the highest power on the earth or in the Church."

The Five Laws Which Have Been Tampered with by the Devil Concerning the Seventy are These:

1. The Seventies are not to be High Priests:
"Another subject of vital importance to the Church was the establishing of the grades of the different quorums. It was ascertained that all but one or two of the Presidents of the Seventies were High Priests, this was declared to be wrong, and not according to the order of heaven."
Joseph Smith, TPJS p. 111.

2. The Twelve are to call upon the Seventy instead of any others when they need assistance:
"It is the duty of the traveling high council (Twelve) to call upon the Seventy, when they need assistance, to fill the several call for preaching and administering the gospel, instead of any others."
D&C 107:38.

3. The Presidents of the Seventy are to be chosen out of the Seventy, not out of the High Priests: "And it is according to the vision showing the order of the Seventy, that they should have seven Presidents to preside over them, chosen out of the number of the Seventy;"
D&C 107:93.

4. The Seventy are to be chosen out of the Elders Quorum:
"The Seventy are to be taken from the quorum of the Elders, and are not to be High Priests."
TPJS p. 112.

5. The quorums of Seventy are General Church Quorums and not to be confused with any stake numbering, nor controlled or handled in any way as a quorum, by stake authorities who are High Priests only, and not Apostles, saith the Lord:
"The Seventies are not called to be a local body, but are ordained Seventy Apostles, to travel, ordain local officers, and build up and set in order the whole Kingdom of God upon the earth, wherever it is necessary."
Brigham Young: Seventies Council Hall, April 27, 1861.

THE REVELATIONS OF JESUS CHRIST
SECTION 160.

Revelation Received August 8, 1989, Provo, Utah on the Reason of the Separation, that the Seventy are Not to Be High Priests.

1 The reason, saith the Lord, that the Seventy are to be totally segregated from High Priests is to maintain the system of checks and balances in the Kingdom of God, that the keys belong to the Seventies.
2 And though the High Priests may mourn over it, it is just so, and any man, (not just a select corporate clique of businessmen and high priests, such as those who govern the Mormon Church today) may attain to the Apostleship with all the keys of the Kingdom of God encompassed within this ordination, and thus provide a check and a safeguard against this elitism, and the rich and powerful politically taking over the Church as the High Priests think they have done today.
3 But the keys of the Kingdom of God (the Apostleship), have I removed from them, saith the Lord, that by the power of mine anointed, even that One Mighty and Strong, who holdeth the Sceptre of power according to the Covenant which I the Lord God did make with David--for He is that One Mighty and Strong, also spoken as the Root of Jesse.
4 For by him I, the Lord God may set mine House in Order (see D&C 85:7).
5 For He, saith the Lord, shall do no other thing than that which I command him, that by the weak and simple and despised things of the earth, I may thrash thy nation, O Ephraim, that I may prove unto thee, O High Priest, that I the Lord change not, but am the same, yesterday, today, and forever.
6 For it is that no one cometh unto me, the Father of Heaven and earth, but by him, for this generation.
7 For it is that they must pass by him, for his approval, saith the Lord, before they come, even unto my servant, Brigham Young, who standeth also in the path, and are Angels and Gods appointed in the path to stand, and by whom the sons of men must pass before they obtain the presence of the Father.
8 Even so. Amen.

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Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Section Six 1843-44 Pg.365
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"All men are liars who say they are of the true Church without the revelations of Jesus Christ and the Priesthood of Melchizedek, which is after the order of the Son of God." Joseph Smith; TPJS p. 376
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· 10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ. (New Testament | Galatians 1:10 - 12)