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Original Air Date: February 06, 2011
Revelation Now Ceased in Mormon Church
Manifestos are not revelations. First Manifesto of 1890 is described as a "lie to beat the devil at his own game (lying)". Audible voice speaks to woman in Bristol England procrastinating baptism because of polygamy: "Oh that is all done away, we have a revelation from God doing away with it" she is told by missionary elders. Hanging out her wash, she heard an audible voice, "Polygamy is a true principle and must be obeyed." Elder Thomas Rosser asks Charles W. Penrose at a missionary conference in Bristol concerning the incident: "On Monday morning, the 25th of May our Conference Priesthood Meeting was held...After the preliminary exercises, President Charles W. Penrose asked if any of the brethren had any questions...I said, ‘I have heard much discussion on the Principle of Plural Marriage, some saying that it is withdrawn from the earth and that the Manifesto was a revelation from God. Dear President, what about this case?’ Then I related to him the testimony of the Sister, which is written above, and then I asked him, ‘Why should she receive this testimony if God has withdrawn that principle from the earth, and the Manifesto is a true revelation from God? President Penrose then rose to his feet, scratched the side of his head with his right hand for a moment or so, then stretched out his right hand toward us and said: ‘Brethren, I will answer that question, if you will keep it under your hats. I, Charles W. Penrose wrote the manifesto with the assistance of Frank J. Cannon and John White. It’s no revelation from God, for I wrote it. Wilford Woodruff signed it to beat the devil at his own game. Brethren how can God withdraw an everlasting principle from the earth? He has not, and cannot, and I testify to you as a servant of God that this is true." (taken from Keys of the Priesthood Illustrated; Lynn. L. and Stephen L. Bishop, p.204.) Van Hale debated the validity of these sources. 1886 revelation seen by Raymond Taylor in 1st Pres vault.
Original Air Date: February 06, 2011
Revelation Now Ceased in Mormon Church
Manifestos are not revelations. First Manifesto of 1890 is described as a "lie to beat the devil at his own game (lying)". Audible voice speaks to woman in Bristol England procrastinating baptism because of polygamy: "Oh that is all done away, we have a revelation from God doing away with it" she is told by missionary elders. Hanging out her wash, she heard an audible voice, "Polygamy is a true principle and must be obeyed." Elder Thomas Rosser asks Charles W. Penrose at a missionary conference in Bristol concerning the incident: "On Monday morning, the 25th of May our Conference Priesthood Meeting was held...After the preliminary exercises, President Charles W. Penrose asked if any of the brethren had any questions...I said, ‘I have heard much discussion on the Principle of Plural Marriage, some saying that it is withdrawn from the earth and that the Manifesto was a revelation from God. Dear President, what about this case?’ Then I related to him the testimony of the Sister, which is written above, and then I asked him, ‘Why should she receive this testimony if God has withdrawn that principle from the earth, and the Manifesto is a true revelation from God? President Penrose then rose to his feet, scratched the side of his head with his right hand for a moment or so, then stretched out his right hand toward us and said: ‘Brethren, I will answer that question, if you will keep it under your hats. I, Charles W. Penrose wrote the manifesto with the assistance of Frank J. Cannon and John White. It’s no revelation from God, for I wrote it. Wilford Woodruff signed it to beat the devil at his own game. Brethren how can God withdraw an everlasting principle from the earth? He has not, and cannot, and I testify to you as a servant of God that this is true." (taken from Keys of the Priesthood Illustrated; Lynn. L. and Stephen L. Bishop, p.204.) Van Hale debated the validity of these sources. 1886 revelation seen by Raymond Taylor in 1st Pres vault.
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